Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
I'm here with the almighty Team Supreme. I assume that
brand new Bill is on the streets right now.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're here in the water, okay.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Now here on vacation with the girls.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
He's on vacation. Where Bill vacations?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Where's these vacations? They didn't want to boat somewhere?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Damn?

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Okay, you would say, I'm with a bunch of all
the girls though, so you know, it's kind of vacation.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's what quality time. Let's let's what's up? We got
fon Tigelow. You're in North Carolina, I.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Assume, yeah, yeah, man, what.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is that artwork that's on the left side, your left side?
I always wonder that when you're interviewing from this place.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
What is that we did? An artist did that illustration
for us? It was like a card. Okay, let's warn
me on top of about like a like a plane card.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
And yes, I just framed up put in my studio.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay, that's what's up? Like, Yeah, how a y'all doing?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
We are good.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I'm sorry y'all all forgiving you all this.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
I'm after looking at Sara's album cover, I realized I
need to put my workout clothes on every day, and like,
I'm a workout So that's what I'm going to do
after this.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Is inspirational physic together, in your post pandemic physical together.
We all hear you loud and clear.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know summer's coming up, you know, giving my Sarah
on Steve, how's it going?

Speaker 7 (01:41):
Good morning everybody. Yeah, how's the network doing? I'm not
sure if it exists anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
No more network? Oh wow, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:51):
There was some tumultuous season seven. Now we're in season eight.
I'm not really sure he's in charge, and you know
we're moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Damn, you got m needed out of your own network
kind of Damn, Steve, It's okay, we got to do
a network episode. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
I still got my quest of Supreme family though.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So basically I will say that this particular episode, this
is one of those practice what you preach moments, because
I think around October of last year, I kind of
put a note out to the producers of the show
Layah cousin Jake Brittany that you know, I didn't want
to get too comfortable, Like when you get way too

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comfortable in your comfort zone, that could be too an
easy downfall. And I was noticing another podcast that sort
of stayed in their.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Comfort zone and they had a really great.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Run, and now they're kind of running out of ideas
because they're not pivoting and getting out of that comfort
place they like. And of course, when you're coming to
Quest of Supreme, nine times out of ten, we're talking
to veterans that have put like, you know, twenty thirty,
forty fifty years the game, and you know, it's always
fun and very easy to go back and and sort

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of marvel on someone's legacy. I gave a note that
I really, especially after the Dave Matthews episode, that I
wanted to talk to newer artists, younger artists that maybe
I wasn't that familiar with, like the back of my hand.
You know, it's not like us doing a Narti Michael
Walden episode, or us doing a Quincy Jones episode, or

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you know, something of that level.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And so wait, we did a Quincy Jones episode, Steve.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
We did a Quincy Jones episode, believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Actually, you can tell us about it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yes, we've done a Quincy Jones episode. So anyway, that said,
I kind of said, start in twenty twenty four. I
want to switch it up a little bit and start
connecting with tomorrow's legends. You know, people kind of ten
years maybe fifteen years in the game, younger than your

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thirty your forty year old veterans that will be tomorrow's legends.
I think it's rather apropos that our guest today is
sort of running on an ongoing theme that we've been
having with a lot of ours that we've been speaking
to in that what their lives were before the pandemic
has sort of pivoted and moved into another direction. And

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basically this artist, of course has Brandy recognition. He has
a new album entitled Heavy, sort of making the rounds
as we speak, getting a lot of accolades, and along
with his collaborations and his previous records, I'm kind of
liking this new place that artists are in right now

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in terms of.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Putting their heart out there and.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Showing their vulnerability and showing their journey, which is needed.
So pretty much the ongoing theme to me is rather
apropos and our guest is no exception to it.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Please welcome. Two question of supreme sir.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Where are you talking to us?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
From this morning eighty fourth? I'm over here in Inglewood, man.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
You're still in Inglewood?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yay?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Course, of course, of course, yeah, I can't leave. Man.
It's the neighborhood actually got better since they did the
stadium and they're working on Clippers stadium over here. If
you know anything about the city, has been a lot
of changes over here.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
This gentrification thing is real over here.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing
for somebody that still lives in the city. People that
held onto their houses and didn't sell and move and
stuff like that. They're up right now. The house, I
mean it is up right now. So I know everybody
around me is happy.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
There's something special about LA people.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
They really hold on to their homes in South I
live in lamert So I'm just saying, get these people
hold on to their.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Homes for sure, if they know any better, because the
property value is just going to keep going up. The
center city of Los Angeles, including like Inglewood and Coppt
in the inner city is flourishing, you know, what I mean.
And the people that owned homes have been there thirty
forty years. So my neighborhood is the same people I
run into, the same people I grew up with. They
still live in their mama house.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
And thanks, I'm Merre's funny because the landlords around here
are old and black too, so they just is discriminatory.
So when I got my place, he definitely looked me
up and down like, okay, you fit.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I went back to my old neighborhood, my old house
that you remember, Laya in.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
South Philly, Saint Albans.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, sad to.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Say that I'm the last owner of pretty much of
that block, and sad to say I'm the last black owner,
Like it was a black neighborhood when I.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Moved in, and now I didn't recognize that shit.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I felt like Marty McFly walking through nineteen fifty, like
we got Starbucks on the corner, Like that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Because for reference, sir, you should know that, like Philadelphia
is probably in stage eight A, gentrification is a one
to ten. I always say, like DC and Harlem are
in stage fifteen past ten, but LA is probably in
a five or six. So I know you're saying what
you're saying, Yeah, I do. Y'all just got there. You
just got the stadium. We just get in the train stations.

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It's no, they're jogging. They're jogging.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
They're jogging.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Wait, so you're saying to me, because the thing was,
I went to that stadium on not opening night, but
like opening month.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now the stadium beautiful. Where I park though, Dad.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
You park at the Forum, probably trying to get you
over to so far dog.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
You know, that was a couple of years ago. I
hope it's gotten better. So you know, it was, it happened.
It was a little weird.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
No, No, it's still a hectic now, mind you. I'm
not I'm not a I'm not a football fan, so
I don't care about the stadium. It's not my thing,
you know what I mean. But it's just it's done
a lot for the city, you know what I mean.
And having met the mayor and talked to him about
it then and seen you know, all of the businesses
that have come up, and you know it kind of
it makes you look at it differently. You know. I
definitely was thinking about protecting, you know, the people that

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were getting displaced because people got displaced. You know, we
ain't gonna talk about that, but you know they tore
down homes and stuff like that to move things in
for the Clippers stadium, and you know, that was a
big thing. But once you start to see the benefit,
you kind of look at it like this can work,
you know. But it's all about the community coming together.
And I from from my perspective, I don't think Inglewood

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ever being completely gentrified, you know what I mean. I
see it as it might end up being a melting pot,
which it already kind of is. There's a huge Asian
community out here, there's a huge community of someones. There's
a huge you know, Mexican community as well as all
the black folks out here. So you know what I mean,
you're gonna have to kick out a whole bunch of
different people before you get to straight up just gentrification,

(08:53):
you know. And I don't think I don't think we're
on that route.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I dig it. There were you born in Inglewood.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Inglewood Adjacment. We're Los Angeles baby, So me and my
family were all born in like South Central, but my
dad was born in Inglewood and the house that we
grew up in My grandmother bought in nineteen sixty four,
so we had been in the city my whole life.
But no, I was born at uh she I think
I was born a Killer King. I know my mom was.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Okay, Killer King? Is that what you said?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Killer King? Is the hospital in la is famous?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
What is it known? For people that aren't?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
It's in the hood. So when you get shot, they
take you to Killer King and nobody survives at Killer King.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Like Brady, you were going to say that, Okay.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Every city to Killer King. You're telling them take me anywhere.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
But in Philadelphia that would be Misser Cordia Hospital. I
get it.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I got you. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
We called it miserable Codia Cordia.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I'll ask you what I ask all of our guests.
Do you remember what your first musical memory was in life?

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Great question? Okay? Now? Which had a piano roll on me?
Because I don't have perfect pitch. But let's just give
an example. My mother will be at the piano and
she'd be like, this is see. If you have your
fingers here, you're hitting the note.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
If you go down here, you are flat.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
If you go up beast, you are strong.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
See you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's my first musical memory is my mother teaching us
how to sing, or trying to teach us how to sing.
And my first musical performance, I was five years old
in front of the church and we sang Oh Holy Night,
and so I you know, I grew up. I grew
up in a house where music was everything. You know,
I don't remember my life when I don't remember a
time of my life where somebody wasn't creating or somebody

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wasn't performing. And you know, I'm blessed to be in
a musical family.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
Your mom, she was a singer and already she sang
for Steve not Stevie Shaka and Michael Jackson that she
did backs for them, yep, yep, yeah man, Miss Jackie,
Miss Jackie, yep.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
And prayers up for my mom. Man. She was in
a car accident a couple of days ago. So she's
she's got surgery today at twelve, and we're just fearful.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
She fractured her second vertebrae and it's been you know,
his last couple of days has been really tough on us.
But she's doing good. She's in good spirits, but she's yeah, resu.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
How long was she singing?

Speaker 4 (11:36):
She grew up in a church too. Her her grandfather
was a pastor, mother's singer in the church, you know
what I mean. Her and her brothers were raised in church.
So my mom doesn't know anything about music. She started
playing piano when she was six years old. And my
uncle Andrew started playing bass when he was seventeen and
never looked backing. Yeah, you guys know Andrew Gruchet. If

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you know anything about gospel music, yea better know Andrew Guchet.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
God, yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, the Godfather of base you know. And my mother
was blessed to have a brother like Andrew. I can
say their dynamic kind of creates the dynamic that you
see between me and my brother the Smoke and my
brother Deveond. They help each other when they can, but
they're individuals and they're very powerful on their own. So,
you know, it was it was always the you know,
just the joy to watch my mother work, you know,

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being the minister of music at church. You know she
was out there every Sunday. Well, let's let's be honest.
She was there Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, you know choir, Yeah,
Bible study choir, rehearsal, Friday service, Sunday service, you know
what I mean. My mom was a workforce, you know,
and still to this day. We was with her yesterday
and the only thing she was worried about, you know,

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when they're talking about surgery, she's like, can I play
the piano? That's you know what I mean, Like, I
don't care about nothing else. I need to play the piano,
you know what I mean. So that's the type of
mother I had.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, were you Seventh Day of ventist or.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Oh no, we're non denomination okay.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh damn, okay, Okay, it.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Was just real Christians that did the thing. Like you know,
it's just different church days.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well often when I hear every day usually it's seven
Day of Venice. But and it's weird, not denomination when
people always thought with more lenient, not.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Too super strict on things that are.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Normally you know the law, right right?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay, So non denominational.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Do you remember like your first creative project, Like what
was the first thing that you remember doing creatively or
what was singing in that church?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Your first Okay?

Speaker 4 (13:37):
So when I was younger, my mom bade us do music,
and as a kid, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't
understand it. I shunned away from it, and I didn't
I didn't like it. So when I was about fourteen fifteen,
we sat down and had a conversation about what I wanted,
and I was like, I want to play sports. So
I stopped doing music. Didn't do music ten years. I
didn't even come into the game until I was like
twenty three, twenty four. My brothers were writing twenty four

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something like that. Yeah, twenty four, twenty five, something like that. Yeah.
I didn't write my first song until I was twenty six.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Wo Yeah, you know what, I man, how old are
you right now?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Thirty seven?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I gotta know a beer?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, I'm sorry, I think when you're my age fifty three? Hello,
but everyone to me is just nineteen.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
We got to work on that.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, you thought you just talking to a kid. Man.
I got.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
This young kid. Let me hear me, let me.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Some things.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
My knowledge on this young boy.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
Man.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Hey, So it just it just the hands up. You know.
I started off my because I'm I'm the type of
person I am. My thing is knowledge. When when I
like something, I got to know how to do it right.
You know what I mean. So I went to school.
I went to Los Angeles School. I was my first
step when I when I started writing songs, I was like, oh,
I stuck, let me figure out what's going on. I
was terrible at it, you know what I mean, And
my my brother was kind enough to show me that

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there was potential behind it. But I was like, naw,
this don't sound like what these niggas are doing. So
I went to the LA Film School to two years
of my life and really focused in on trying to
just become a better musician and engineer. So I'm a
recording engineer by trade. That was my first, you know thing,
And from there I started to just develop my sound

(15:23):
and my songwriting and stuff like that. And this is
all while I was just working as an engineer. My
first big gig was working for Tyrese, which, yeah, that
was interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, I like that faith and that's love Supreme Afice
next week.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Shout up to Tyrese. Taught me a lot about people,
taught me a lot about the music industry, taught me
a lot about independence and how much I wanted it
at the time, Like I'm showing up the sessions. I'm
his you know head engineer in the house. I got
six people working for me, you know, and I'm just
watching all these other songwriters come in and try to
bless him.

Speaker 8 (15:59):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
At the time, I was writing songs and I had
found a little confidence. But I wouldn't have said that
because it was my job, my day job, so I
wasn't even trying to like get in get in the mix.
But I played a couple of records for one of
the other songwriters one day and they were like looking
at me crazy, you know what I mean. We were
at a camp for his last project called the Black
Rolls Album. Yeah, Yeah, and my brother Davion was one

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of the songwriters. I got him in to write songs
for Tyrese and he just wasn't having it. He was like,
fuck that, you know what I mean, You're gonna play
some of these folkus fucking songs for Tyrese. So they
had this big meeting where everybody would sit down at
the end of the week and play two, three records
or something like that. And I had like a batch
of like five ready, and I was the last person
to play records. Everybody played records as like Darrel got records.
I come in, I play my songs and everybody lost

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their shit. It was like a big This was probably
the biggest music moment for me at today at the time.

Speaker 8 (16:56):
But Tyrese runs up gives me a big hug. I
didn't know, Oh my God, like I didn't know. I
had to tell him underneath my wing, you know, I
just you know, you know what I mean, And like
a two weeks yeah, you know, just there's so much
going on, man, God is moving in this room.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
People. Hey, look, look, can't nobody do Tyree's like me.
I'll tell you what did.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
You make Black Role? Did you get on the record?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, I got a couple of songs on it. I
can't tell you the names of him because I forgot
I don't remember, but I definitely made the project for sure.
But you know, having that big moment, and this is
a lesson for a lot of musicians. Just because people
look like they fucking with you or they look like
they rock, and don't mean they got your best interests
at heart, you know what I mean. Even after that incident,
you know, I kept working for Tyreese. He just our

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relationship didn't like progress. It seemed like he was trying
to like he's trying to stand back me.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Man.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
He wasn't trying to let me shine. He wasn't trying
to put me out there to where he wanted me
to be his engineer. And there was a day where
Jennifer hood And came to the house. I don't know
if she remembers this, but you know, she came in
to meet him, and I let her in the house.
You know, I'm like, hey, she you know, anothers nary, nonchalant,
and he, you know, was introducing her to everybody in
the house and just didn't even say my first name. Bro.

(18:15):
Like it was that this one man. I don't know
if Tyrese knows this story, he remembers this, but he
couldn't say my name to Jennifer us and Jennifer Usson
didn't look me in the eye. And I took that
very personally. I quit that day. I walked in the room.
It was like ten niggas in that room, writers, producers,
Jenniferussis didn't right there. Eric Bellinger was there. I forget
who else was there, but oh ty dollad Time was there,
I think. But I walked in there, I was like, hey, Tyrese, Hey, hey,

(18:36):
pay me for the day, bro, I quit in front
of everybody, was like, what what what do you mean? Him? Hey, hey,
hold him on, y'all, hold him on, y'all. Let me
go out at him and talk to me outside. And
there was no convincing me of that. And I think
after that, I probably was signed to TDE like after
like six months or something like that, or I you know,

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I was already like popping. I put my own project out.
Wouldn't was the first thing we dropped into Seven Sundays
And it was over after that, and I've never looked back,
you know what I mean. And I think ty for
that experience because it taught me a lot about how
to treat people, you know, first or four months.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
I want to ask you about your first about Seven
Sundays and the label you put that out on Fresh Selects.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Talk about just that period in your life. Man.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I love that record.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I played it, you know all the time.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Uh No, man, just I just wanted to talk talk
about that time in your life.

Speaker 9 (19:28):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I was I was broken, homeless. I just put tyree
and I didn't know what I was gonna do with
my life, you know, I was trying to figure things out.
And we had just put out this this tape that
had like twenty one songs. What it's called Wooden Voodoo
is it's my first tape. If anybody really looks for it,
it's like fault Wooden Voodoo. It's got some stuff on there.

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But Kenny heard it. Kenny Fresh from Fresh Selects heard it,
and he contacted me and was like, I want to
put this project out. I was like, okay, I'm already
working on something, and we started to playlist for seven
Sundays and seven Sundays is what introduced me to Top
and got me in the room with Tde So I
look at that time as like this that was probably
like the highlight of my career because it opened so

(20:17):
many doors for me. And I did that all by myself.
It was just me and Kenny, and he really didn't
even do anything. He just suggested, like I like this song.
I like that song. I did the master, I cut
the vocal, you know what I mean? And yes, I said,
I did the master myself. Like I was engineering back then.
I don't do that shit no more. I got I
got helped.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
But wait, even now, as as an artist, you I mean,
you're an engineer, so you would know how you want
the song to sound.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yes, yes, oh yeah, I mean I still cut my
own vocal. I can't let go of those rings. Like
I've tried. I've hired engineers, I've sat down. But imagine
that you're in the booth, guys in the chair, and
you cut a vocal, but you just want him to
nudge it. You have to say, I need you to
nudge this to the left. Now imagine I'm sitting in
the here, I cut the vocal. I need to nudge it.

(21:03):
I can nudge it, right. I nudged it, you know
what I mean. And that's it.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
That's the whole thing. Steve, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No.
A mirror is much more for people who don't realize.
He's much more of an engineer than people know. He
mixes more than I do most of the time. I
mean I'm recording because he's you know, playing and producing

(21:30):
a lot of times. But when it comes time to
do rough mixes, and certainly in the final mix stage,
Amir has got his hands on the dials since I
met him, since Electrical Lady in ninety six, he's been
He gets gets.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Right on the board.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
It's easier and quicker than to try and explain what
you want if you just know the basics, you know,
and and a mir loves plugins, so he just loves
playing around with toys essentially. But yeah, I mean, I'm
sure there's a lot. I mean, D'Angelo was recording his
own vocals, Yeah, things like that. But yeah, it's certainly

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helpful to as an artist to know how to engineer it, I.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Would think from a singing standpoint, which is such a
vulnerable thing to do. Are you the type of singer
that needs pretty much your space? Like, are you the
singer that can turn it on if five people were
in the room watching you, the engineer, your boys, your
family and there watching you, or is it like everyone

(22:27):
get out the room engineer too.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
I could do this myself.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
No, no, no, I don't care who's watching you watch.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Especially with this album.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah oh yeah, oh well this album was different. I
was high most of the time, so that wasn't nobody around. Okay, no, no,
you can stay in the room. I don't I don't
mind people being around. Just shut the fuck up. I
got to cut the vocals. Be quiet. I don't want
to hear you on my track. But you know, nah,
these last few years I honestly don't know how these
songs came. I can't explain it. I don't even remember

(23:00):
most of these sessions. I don't remember a lot because
I was just slated. You know a lot of people
have heard the story of a million times about me
going to rehab and all that blah blah blah. You know,
I beat that story into the ground. So if we
can just swim by this real quick, I'm sober. It's
been a year and five months, you know what I mean.

(23:21):
I found so bride. I found sobriety my way, you
know what I mean. I still smoke a little weed. Everyone.
I'm going to ask you, I thank.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
You for saying this. Thank you because yeah, you want
to say space, no sobriety.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Sobriety is different for everybody, you know what I mean,
everybody has. If you're an addict like I was, you
have a DC now your doc. Your drug of choice
is your drug of choice. That doesn't mean that everything
will affect you like that will, but you got to
stay away from that thing. And you know, I found
my way through depression because you know, people don't just
do drugs. There are root issues too. You know, there's

(23:55):
reasoning behind it, and I had root issues that I
find so therapy, rehab, family, everything that. You know, all
of the love I had helped me kind of figure
out what was going on, and it placed me back
in a position where I could fight for my life.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, I've been somewhat transparent about my journey. I mean,
I'm now like three years removed from the path I'm
on now, but I can definitely acknowledge that year one
of this new paradigm shift quest love. The first seven
months I was actively, subconsciously and consciously trying to sabotage

(24:33):
it because it was just a very fearful place to
be in. Could you talk about your experience behind me?

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah, of course, Yeah. And I like what you said about,
you know, there being a fear of success because I
think like there was never down in my mind that
I'll be good at music, you know what I mean,
But there was. I'm a married man. I've been married
for fifteen years, my wife being with my wife at
twenty and you know, the type of music I make
and the artartists that everyone wanted me to be, me

(25:03):
being a married man, those two things didn't mix. So
you know, there was always this push and pull of
you know what I mean. I want to succeed, but
you know, I don't know what it's going to look like,
you know what I mean. And as I started to
progress in my career, I started to notice that, you know,
people didn't give a fuck about my marriage, you know

(25:24):
what I mean. And that made it very hard for
me to enjoy my career, you know what I mean,
and enjoy the successes of my music. And then on
top of that, the attention that you get when you're
in the position we're in makes it very hard for
you to be you know, to see things how everyone
else sees it. Let's feel like that, you know what
I mean. It's used your view on you know, relationships

(25:48):
and people, and it really kind of like set me
back because I didn't go about it the right way,
you know what I mean. I wasn't doing a good
job of just taking care of myself first, you know
what I mean. I was so concerned with what everybody
thought about me and what everybody wanted me to be
as an artist and stuff like that, and I was
people pleasing and things like that, and then I was
just neglecting my relationship with my wife. You know what

(26:10):
I mean, for this image of serve that I thought
I needed to be, and then I got sick of him,
and you know, it had already caused problems at home.
Didn't want to go back to who he was, and
found this middle place of like, I'm just gonna silently
like self medicate, you know what I mean, because I'm depressed,
My home life is messed up staring who I want

(26:32):
to be. But niggas love him. They love that guy,
you know what I mean? And I just, you know,
I started to self medicate, and you know, didn't tell
anybody until it was too late. And once I decided
that it was time to tell people, the pandemic happened,
you know. But you know, as someone that you know
doesn't give a fuck about like fame or like, I

(26:54):
don't do this for accolades. I actually like love music.
It's very hard to appreciate artistry and everything it comes
with when you know what I mean. People don't like
respect it or respect you. They don't respect your humanity
when they see you as an artist, you know what
I mean. And I had to learn that the hard way.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
I was just gonna ask, what else did you have
outside of rehab coming out of COVID. You also it
sounds like you also have people around you that you
may have had to shuffle a little bit change.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Oh, for sure, for show for shows, I got, I
got friends I can't see, you know what I mean.
My family was very hands on in my health and
my recovery, you know what I mean. So me and
my family we were already tight knit, but this kind
of just brought us closer together. But yeah, I definitely
like my whole circle is different. I don't got I
got like two friends that I call, you know what

(27:42):
I mean. And for the most part, I speak to
my mother, my father, and my brothers and try to
keep it like that.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
We haven't talked about your dad.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
My dad. My dad is a he's a funny guy.
His name's ron and he's gonna be on the interview.
It is, yes, Ronald. Yeah, my dad is the oldest
of like six kids. He's one of the most gentle
people you'll ever meet in your life. And he don't sing,

(28:11):
he don't do music. But he loves my mama.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
He loves you know what I mean, sir, talk about
growing up in that like being a married man and
growing up and having that because a lot of.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
People have example, might not mind you. My father, when
I was growing up, he spent some time in the pen.
He he had two strikes before I, before I was
you know, thought of so when I when I was
when I was six, he got out of jail and
never looked back, you know, and took care of his family.
And I've seen him struggle so hard, you know what

(28:44):
I mean. You know, I having two strikes in the nineties,
it wasn't too much work for him. He you know,
he was a limo driver, he's a chaplain. He's done
so many different things just to provide for us and
give us opportunities to be great. And we love him
to death man. And he's still you know, just superhands
on in my life. And you know, I talk to
him all the time. But I think he's a funny

(29:05):
guy because my dad is getting old, Like he's an
old man. Now what is old, sir? Oh my gosh,
she's an old But what's even more, what's even more
funny is my brother's are turning into old man to
meet and me and me and my brothers we wake
up in the morning with neck pains and all kind
of thirty seven. You know I ain't no spring chicken. Man,
Are you the youngest of you had?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Three?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah? Yeah? Wait hold Steve smoke he thirty eight about
to be thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Alas youngins man, it was moving fast.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
See this explains it because again I'm thinking, like, damn man,
for twenty four year old, this guy got a lot
of wisdom under his belt.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now now I get it. I get it now. As
far as your pen game is concerned, how hard is
it to.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You use your music to express what you're feeling inside.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I wouldn't say it's difficult. It just hurts when I
do it. You know, then this is like a superpower
I've developed over years of like trying, of trial and error,
just pulling from emotional places. You know, I'm really good
at it. And you know the poetry comes from pain.
So it's kind of a second nature thing for me now.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
And like right now I'm sitting in my house. I
haven't written a song in like probably three four months.
I'm like an out of practice musician, it feels like,
but I know as soon as I sit down to
do it, I know my process. I know what I
want out of these songs and if I hear the
music and it's it's there, the songs down there already
written at this point, you know what I mean. But
that comes from years of working. I put so much

(30:43):
time in that people don't see, you know what I mean,
with songwriting, writing for other artists, writing for myself. I
got a pile of probably five hundred songs that I
ain't never gonna see the light of day. But I
go back and listen to them and examine them and
pick them apart, just to you know, try to find
too my craft, you know. But I'm proud that people
like know me as like a songwriter, like they actually

(31:04):
like the lyrics and ship like that, because you know,
I don't put you know, I don't want to like
ever ever, you know, assume that people listen to my
ship and they love it, you know, they love what
I got to say, you know what I mean. I'm
crashing down, that's my record. Yeah. Yeah, I'm blessed to
be in a position I'm in. Like a lot of

(31:24):
people just they try to say cool ship, you know
what I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying to dig so
the end that it's relatable to the outer world, you know,
what I mean. I think that's my secret.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
When you sit down to write, are you like a
lyrics guy first or melody guy first?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
It depends. Yeah, it all depends.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
People people that try to say that one or the
other don't really to me, I ain't doing it right,
you know what I mean? Because you you know it's
this is this is I don't know. It's like basketball.
And in a basketball game, you dribbling down the court,
You're not gonna shot the same shot every time, you
know what I mean? You got to have some kind
of you know, knowledge of where you're at and what
you know what the court is dictating. So my songwriting

(32:07):
is dictated about the court that I'm standing on.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
When it comes to your songs, is it more of
a your writing songs and artists or A and R
are picking the songs, or is it also to your
writing songs for certain people?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
No, just right now, I don't write for anybody. I
have a pile. And you know, even when I was
writing for other people, I never really wrote for them.
I didn't like, sit down like, Okay, I need the
Beyonce song. I hate them niggas that shit. Don't that
that shits trash. Let me write a.

Speaker 8 (32:32):
Song for Beyonce. Want to get up on a Beyonce rat? No, No,
I just write vis you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Now, I came from that. I came from like we
were what works first. People don't know I was in.
We were writing songs for other people. My brothers had
big placements, they at Usher placements and like John placements
back in the day. And that's what really like sold
me on becoming like a musician. So my first like
before I wrote my own projects, we were working on
like writing for the people, and I was in a
songwrinning camp of six motherfuckers. So you know that taught

(33:05):
me a lot about who I wanted to be as
a writer.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Can you explain to me what those I always hear
about those types of camps, especially from artists that come
on this show. Never been a part of those camps
because apparently I'm doing it wrong.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Like, no, you're doing it right, brother.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't know, But what are camps like?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Because it's also like it's every it's is it every
man for himself?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Is it like you're off of blood?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Like I got to get a placement on this record,
and it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
It's pretty cut throat at certain points, but I mean,
I'm so displaced from it. I haven't been in a
camp for ten years, man, so I don't know. I
don't know what they like nowadays. But when I was
doing it, it was tough. It was tough. So what
we used to do because we all loved each other
and we wanted everyone wanted to succeed, as we would
break songs down into pieces that's not mine. That's how

(33:56):
Woodworks did it. Somebody got the first verse, we're writing
a hook together. Somebody got I can burtse, somebody get
a bridge, you know what I mean? Yeah, that and
that was I mean, that didn't always work, but that
was the game plan. That's how we went into the situations.
And then it would if you're going into a writing
camp where it's like a whole bunch of individuals writers
that are coming in, Like look, okay, let's say Tyree

(34:17):
sets up a camp where he has producers the writers
in come. That is very cutthroat because everyone's writing by
themselves on their own little setup to bring to play
to Tyree so that he can choose what records he's
gonna cut. You know what, I mean, and that was
a different environ I can say that the songwriters that
I've come across, they're they're all very competitive, but you
know there is a community of like I'm going to

(34:39):
help you out.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
It was never so cutthroat that work wasn't getting done.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I can only imagine that, you know, if it's coming
from your insides and it's your song, it's like your child.
So I wonder, like, all right, well I got a
first verse, you know, And I do I do believe
in that whole thing of how inspiration hit you that
you know, you have to be in the right environment

(35:04):
acquired him. I mean, some people need to be in
a chaotic of environment. I know people that feel like
they need to be in arguments with their girlfriend or
you know, whatever whatever floats their book.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
But to have the ideas come.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Quincy Jones on the episode That Will Never Come Out
says that all of his ideas come at one in
the morning, that sort of thing. But I don't know,
I can't imagine like, Okay, having half a song and
just in the name of time, like all right, well
you take it over now it's your child and we're
co parents. Like I just never understood that process. Like

(35:37):
I always felt like, once this song comes out of you,
you should see it through soup the nuts. But you know,
I don't know, like do you recommend writers camps or
for you it's it's better when it's just coming from you,
isolated alone.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Well as an artist, I don't recommend writing camps, but
I do recommend writing with other writers. Like, for example,
there's an artist in Jazzi that is she's a singer
songwriter and she's very popular. I brought her in to
help me write the song that I have with Ti
Dallas Sign on the album. And I did it because

(36:14):
you know, when creating albums, I feel like you need
to have different Like let's just use the word vibes.
I hate the word, but let's you gotta you gotta
have different. Different.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
This is how I know you're not twenty all right, exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
You gotta have different There has to be some type
of variety, you know, to to the sound. In my opinion,
to make a great project. You know, it's really hard
to pull off when it's just you in your head,
you know what I mean. I feel like I've I've
learned to let people in because people, you know, can

(36:52):
improve something for you, you know, can make something better
by you know, looking at it from their perspective, you know.
And I can learn a lot still, you know, I
definitely don't think I know everything. So having help, you
know what I mean, to get you through your own
thoughts isn't a bad thing. It just depends on how
you handle it, you know. And I think I've I've

(37:13):
had years of trial and era with working with other artists,
so I know what I like. Immedia, It'll take ten
minutes for me to decide if we actually gonna do
the session, you know what I mean, Like if we're
sitting down and you know, once I'm locked in with somebody,
it's gonna go smoothly. But it's all trial and there,
and I feel like I've learned for me, I need help,

(37:34):
and my music sounds better when I have the right
type of help. So it's not just about having a
whole bunch of songwriters people come in. It's about having
the right of.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
All the storied clicks in contemporary music. You know, start
with native tongues, and then start with Wu tang, and
start with death throw tde to Me is well one
one of the most ubiquitous, but also on the other
side of that coin, one of the most mysterious organizations

(38:07):
that I know of but don't know jack about.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Are we all right?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Look when you join.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
This organization number one, I'm gonna be impression that if
you join TDE then yeah, like Sizza and Isaiah and
Schoolboy and Absol and Doshi and like the whole clique
are all family in like working together on each other's
projects and that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
But like, what is it like? Because I know nothing
about about Anthony and.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It is it is right. We were just talking about
the songwriting camps. It is the songwriting camps at the
highest level. So everybody, everybody is alp for blood. We
are all hungry, we are all independent. We help each
other out where we can, but we all got careers
to take care of. Now, mind you, we're family, you
know what I mean. And we're very tight. We're very

(39:02):
close knit, you know what I mean. But man, TD,
there's still a learning curve for me, you know what
I mean. Let's take away the music industry like him
his bloods, these game members, you know what I mean.
And yeah, from l A, so I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta first just respect that, you know what I mean.
Like at at any given time, she can go a

(39:25):
sour and you know, all hell could break loose on
this side, you know. So I just had to learn
who I was dealing with and learned that. You know,
respect is earned, you know what I mean, before it's
given in this circle. And we don't tolerate disrespect. We
don't tolerate ignorance stuff like that. Top Is like, he's
hardcore man, and as hardcore as he is, he's also

(39:48):
very gentle and very loving. He's a father of like
nine kids. He's got a lot of children. Yeah, top
is a is an interesting dude. Man's Charlie Mack. You know.
But as far as the egos, I will say this,
I've never been in a place where I'm that motivated
to stand out in my life. There's so many great

(40:09):
things happening. It just makes me want to work so
much harder to be the best version of myself. Sizzle's
on top of the planet. Motherfucking do she scares me?
Scares me? Oh? I did. Yeah, if you're not familiar,
go check out. That's the Florida girl. And she she's like, yeah,

(40:29):
you can't tell me nothing. I know music, and I
know what I like. I know beyond what I like,
what is proper like. I know, I know when it
when it hits, when it's smacks, and when when the
artist behind it knows how to make it smack. This bitch.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I didn't even know she was with y'all. I like, what, y'all,
that's great.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Look, look I met I met dochiuh like uh, I
guess a couple of weeks before they announced she was
starting to TV. When they first came, she came in
so nice and played me some records. She played me
the craziest records. What's the song that she has out?
You probably won't know anyway, but she played me something that.

Speaker 8 (41:06):
I was like.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
I was floored. Well, lord, this is one of the
most talented women in the game right now, and I knows,
you know, scissors scissors and deserves everything that's going on.
But Adolcie, he could ask about Doci, she gonna say
the same thing. I'm scared of that girl.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
But that's the environment that TD creates. It creates monsters,
it creates people that are so hungry that you ain't
don't give a fun what y'ad got going on?

Speaker 8 (41:32):
It's me?

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Is this this is PD or it's nothing else, you
know what I mean? And it's always gonna be that.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
As an avid watcher of King of the Hill, can
you please.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Explain your logic behind John Redcorn.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
We can talk about King of the Hill all day. Okay,
let go of my person. I don't know you, okay.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Oh, John Redcorn he was the indigenous dude on in
King of the Hill. Yes, that was married to the
blonde right right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Know John Redcord was not married, motherfucker. He was the
dude on the side. Dale Gribble is blind and when
he could not see what was.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Going on, he was dirty.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Now there was a boy on the show, his name
was Joseph, but we all know the truth behind that
whole story. Now that now, mind you and me and
my wife like we we oh my gosh, we burned
King of Hill into the ground. I've watched the season
finale so many times and like I'm I'm a huge,

(42:32):
huge fan of John Redcorn in general, just because of
the episode that I remember him on. Yeah, and you
know that song, that song was a happy accident. Let's
be honest. Nobody expect. I didn't expect that motherfucker to
go as crazy as it did, but it did.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I only asked you simply because you know, oftentimes artists,
especially under the umbrella hip hop, and I kind of
blamed ghost Face for this, where they'll just title their
song anything that has nothing to do with the song.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
But when I saw that, I was like, nah, there's
something deeper behind this besides just naming it John Redcorn,
and especially I know the character that he is, and
it was curious to how you landed there, and so I.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Actually started with with I was like, I was watching
King of the Hill and we were watching I was
watching the episode where Joseph was like it was like
a Joseph John Redcord episode. Yeah, and you know he
left and was just and it's always crying in a
car or something like that, and it just it made

(43:39):
me so sad. I was like, oh my gosh, this
poor guy. And the first verse came of the hook
came immediately alone every night alone, and I was like,
this might be interesting, and I started I wrote that
I actually helped produce that song. So I did drums first,
I beat by and then I did the harmonies. And
recorded over the harmonies and then had somebody coming in

(44:01):
and play guitar, so I have musicians build around my
I did my little three part or whatever, and we
went from there. But you know that that was, like
I said, a happy accident. But it definitely helped, like
shape how I wrote songs for the next few years
because of how people responded to it. You know, it

(44:22):
made me a little more adventurous. It made me want
to connect the dots before I sat down to write.
I do a lot of that, like a lot of
repping before I actually write the song in thought where
I you know, I listened to the music, I said,
I'm listening to the beat, but I'm also trying to
just figure out, you know, what would go good over
the beat and blah blah blah. But anyway, you know

(44:42):
this this is like John Redcorn is my baby, man.
It's it's it's the gift that keeps done giving.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
I love that song, man for real. I wanted to
ask you about one of your collaborators you've been working
with over the years, Dek the Punisher Man. Hey and
you guys, y'all relationship in y'all's creative chemistry, how did
that come about.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Me and DK met through one of my favorite people
on the planet, Qui. I don't know you remember. I
think I met you back in the day through this guy,
through Andre Harris, through are Yes. Yeah. Yeah, dang, you've
been to a Playlist retreat. I met you got the
Playlist retreat.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
You've come to Jeff's thing.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yeah, yeah, I've been. I was there the first three
years and then the drug.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I mean, you know what.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
The night I came to the Playlist Retreat, I got
there late from the tonight show and there.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Was a taco truck outside it. And what they failed
to tell me was that all the tacos were infused.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
And I at that time, I was, you know, post pandemic,
I microdos, I like edibles. I'm very lightweight, and so
I downed about four of those tacos because I was starving,
and I found out the hard way.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Yeah, don't Oh yeah, this night was interesting. Oh you
four you' all around? Yeah, the most euphoric tacos you'll
ever have in your life.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
But I actually met DK the Punisher in two thousand
and ten at Andre Harris's house. This is the first
opportunity I had to write songs as just as songwriter.
Nobody's engineer was given to me by Andre Harris, and
me and DK met working under Andre Harris, and we
got great placements, had some great work. Met Miss Jill

(46:28):
got placements on the Woman project. You know, I did
Fool's Goal. DK produced Fools Gold for Miss Jill on
her last project.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
But like, that's my brother at this point. That's that's
and you know, that's my Baltimore connect, you know, so
I like me and him have a different type of
relationship now outside of music. Like I'm about to call
him right now. We're supposed to work out today, so
it's going to go link up. But that's my literal
brother at this point. And musically, you know, me and

(47:00):
him just click whenever we decide to work. It just
works now, y'all boys. That chemistry man, man. But the
music industry is tough man. DK actually had to shift.
He's a web developer now, so you know, and this
is one thing that I always recommend to, you know,
career musicians, if it's not paying your rent, like, don't
force that, don't be a broke musician. I don't recommend

(47:21):
that for anybody having experienced that go get you a
fucking job. You're getting. Your job isn't going to take
away from your talent. It's going to make it easier
for you to get things done if you really think
about it. You know. So DK did that, and of
course he still has placements on Heavy. He's still working,
you know what I mean. But I'm happy for him
because his life is balanced out now and he can
focus on being a better musician because he has a

(47:44):
career to kind of.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Balance another skill, another skill. You didn't mention, what was
your first placement? That's what I asked the mirror that
I forgot.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
My first placement. Oh my god, a song called Drink
Saints Free by Warren G. Oh wow, all right, I
like that face.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
That came out of nowhere. All right, Yeah, it's a peculiar.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
It's a peculiar. One artist named Mono Maury, which is
yeah shouts of man, yeah, Eman is the one that
set that session up. He called me like girl, Hey, hey,
I got a chest with Warren G. Pull up and
then we pulled up and uh yeah, I got I
got my little part off.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Can you talk about the LA music scene because I'm
curious about the camaraderie because I heard you mention the
interviews before that it's a lot of competition, but there's
got to be camaraderie because you collaborate with Anderson, You've collaborated,
uh with I'm guessing like the majority of folks out here. So,
but what is the scene? Like, where do y'all go to? Like,
what's the club? It just doesn't feel like LA is

(48:55):
like that, like Billy, Yeah, I know, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
That ain't no, ain't no scene for me. I came
to myself now l A the LA musicians like it's like,
all right, so you go to you know how you
go to LA shows and the crowd just like stares
at you. Yes, yeah, that's how. That's how the LA musicians.
Then feels like we don't really get along like you
think we would. Nah, it ain't no camaraderie or anything
like that. CD is td E. We keep to ourselves

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and it's everybody else outside of that circuit.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Tie td though, right tis not a TDH Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
No, no no, but that's like TYE is time. It's
hard to get to the only reason I like have
these connections because I'm me and I don't say that
like as a musician, like the type of person I am.
You know, once you meet me and you shake my
hand and you start to talk to you understand that
I have no ill intention. I really respect the art
and the game. And I think that goes a long

(49:50):
way with a lot of artists like Anderson. I was
a fan of hands and I met him when he
was still Breezy Love Joy and you know he was
I forgot the project. It had a song on their
I was like, take me to the Star Gay and
Black be in the Space, this beautiful song. And I
met him and FANBOYD and like was genuine about it, Like,

(50:11):
wasn't you know I didn't want to like act all hard.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I was like, yo, I.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Love your shit, man, Oh my gosh it. Me and
him have been friends ever since because I was genuine
and like when I meet people like ty and and
you know, I was always genuine. So I feel like
they see me come back around with my own stuff
and they want to help, they want to work because
of the type of person I am. And that's the thing.
It's always a people thing for me, you know what
I mean. I don't care where you're from, what you

(50:35):
do long's you go. Good people, you know, and I'm
here to support that.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
You see that in a circle back, even when you
mentioned Jill and how you had met her as an
engineer and then y'all ended up collaborating on your album,
I was like, well that speaks volumes.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah for sure, for sure, And I mean, shout out
to Miss Jill Man. She's still very instrumental. Like when
I was going through all of my drug youth, she
was calling me and like, didn't nobody call me, didn't
nobody check in on me? Yeah, she called me the
other day just about my mother, just to check in
and by my album. She called me to let me
know she heard my shit and like she loved it,

(51:07):
you know what I mean. And that shout out to
Miss jail Yeah, I mean, you guys know it's Jilly
and shout out to Philly. Let's let's start there. Let
me go back, shout out to Philadelphia. Okay, all of
my music connects or all of the things that are
all of the people that have really like put on
for me are from Philly, you know what I mean.

(51:27):
And I mean, you guys, I don't know what's in
the water, but like the talent even now, the talent
pool is phenomenal, you know what I mean. And I'm
glad to be a part of that community. I'm glad
to say that I'm somewhat a part of that community
of people.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Well, thank you, brother, I appreciate that. Before we close,
I gotta ask, can you tell me? And I'm asking
more personally, like, what was the process the steps to
your your health journey?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Now out?

Speaker 4 (52:01):
You know a lot of prayer, a lot of prayer.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
And when I mean health journey, I'm actually mean your
physical health journey, because oh oh, I.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Tell you a lot of prayer. I still right, Well,
now you know, all right, So I'm a foodie. I
love to eat, and during all of this, you know,
the pandemic and stuff, all we had was postmates sitting
at the house. I got up to about two hundred
and fifty pounds. But yeah, yes, look, and you know

(52:32):
even now, I'm I'm just shocked to see where I got.
To honestly answer your question, I don't know how all
this happened. I just I was I was just standing
on a wing in the prayer man, no, no, no. I
started I started by asking questions, what did I want
you know what I mean, who do I want to be?
What do I want to look like? And I came

(52:53):
up with a goal to get down to two hundred pounds.
And after I lost a few pounds, I got to
this point where I wasn't losing any more weight. So
I got a nutritionist because I felt like my eating
was the biggest thing. So my nutrition is this the
real reason? And I'm in shape. I'm in now. You
taught me how to spread my meals out. He taught
me how, you know, eat the right amount of protein,

(53:15):
make sure I get the right kind of carbs in.
So my diet did everything.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
You know, sugar, what you're doing with?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
No bread, no sugar, no salt, no life, no love,
no hoogs, no happiness.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
With you Right now, man, I'm drinking my salads. That's right,
That's right, these damn seaweed chips.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
On a personal note, if y'all ever need information on
the I'm a wealth of knowledge when it comes to
like healthy and yeah, like that, you know, because it's important,
especially for us. It's black folk, you know what I mean.
We have our issues and we need to pass knowledge
around so that we can all you know, thrive and
be healthy. So feel like you need some information, man,
feel free to reach out broad got you.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So, sir, you want to functional mushrooms? You want to.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
No mushrooms, That's that's part of my I can't do mushrooms.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
No, No, not rooms, sir. I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I do the badrooms.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, not a I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
About the other on the coffee rooms over here. That's mutual. Okay,
you did say that, you did that, like matter of fact,
I'm right now. We have some in the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah, my multi vitamin for sure. I definitely like try
to stay as healthy as possible. But I mean I
feel like people that need multivitamins are eating like ship.
You know what I mean. Eat healthy, You need to
do all the extra ship. Just just do. Put some
greens in your body. This is one. Here's the note
of the day. If you're gonna eat like crap, put

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something green on your stomach first, because there's something inside
of you know, in the fiber or so. There's a
chemical that gets put in your stomach and it lines
your stomach and helps you digest your food better if
you eat green before you eat anything else. So just
eat a little salad before you eat anything else that'll
help out.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yes, Sally, you're not like a.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
If you if you blending if? Yeah, the juice works.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I'm not a salad fan at all, so all my juice,
you are salads.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
So smart man, smart man, and it works just as well.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Can I ask Fat Sir one question I did? I'd
like to ask Fat sir old faster. Can you tell
me though, in Inglewood three of your favorite places to eat,
because I just would like to know there right now,
Inglewood Service?

Speaker 4 (55:27):
All right, all right, if you just want to like
small little breakfast spot, Emma is and it's a hole
in the wall. This is our bodegga. Okay, So now
Emma's is on Market in Manchester. She right across the
street from the swat. Mean, she's just a little hole
in the wall. But you go in there. You just
get you a breakfast burrito, Emma to take.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Care of it.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I'm a breakfast burrito theme, so thank you. I'm always
on the chase.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Okay, all right, So now and you tell it. You
tell her that Daniel sent you. Don't tell it Daryl sent.

Speaker 10 (56:00):
Extra g a yeah, uh Doulans really you don't like
see you have me no, you just disrespected.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I thought it was commercial. I didn't know if it was.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Dolens is all we got. No, I'm not gonna say
it's the best. So who out here because they be lying,
But Dolings is what we got. So go get you somebode.
Go get you from the sun, some some smother chicken
from Duelings. You'll be all right.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Now, give me a healthy spot, give me one of
the last spot and simply hot.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
The Oh well, yeah, that's I live down the street.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Okay, perfect, Ye, that's not that's not Inglewood, but that's
that's where we go. That's where we go.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Y'all know my two cents anymore, that's spout.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
That's not my spot. No, no, no, no, that's out
of towns Inglewood spot.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I support my two cents.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Ain't nothing wrong with that shout off.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
To Dustin Felder, but simply holds theme. It's historic in
in uh of course South l A. And the ownership
so got it?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Well, thanks sir, I thank you for taking time out
to speak to us. Also, godspeed on on your good
energy to her. But more than that, I really appreciate
just you and applaud your ability to not only share
your life, not only for your music, but in your

(57:20):
personal story, your recovery and just your your daily walk.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
And it's it's needed.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
And especially the air quote tumultuous times that we're in
when you're watching a lot of the old guard get
dealt with and you're seeing the new guard come into play.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You know this is overdue and needed.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
And I applaud you and thank you for coming on
and of course love to Supreme to share your story
with us.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Man.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Thank you, Man. I really appreciate you guys inviting me Man,
and and just to say, I'm a huge fan, Bro,
I have been for years and years and years. I
gonna gash you too much, man, but you you.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I look up to you, man, and thank you brother.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
It's a pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
Thank you, Thank you for having man that the album
is dope. But the song like that's my favorite record
on the album. That's just a beautiful song, Man, really
really vulnerable. Just the vocal performance on it is just
really beautiful. Man, So thank you, thank you, thank you
for saying that.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Bro. I really appreciate that this this album is a
laborer love and you know, I'm just excited to start
getting out here and performing these songs and getting through this.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
It's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's not gonna be tough.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Well, this this album is it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Take one step at a time. Nah man, Just look,
it was uncomfortable. Go with it. If it's out of
your comfort zone, go with it.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I've learned not to hold back on my emotions. If
I got to cry on stage, I'm gona let it out.
But we're gonna get through it, for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
That's important. I applaud that ship.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
All right, we have a particular Sugar Steve, get your
network back, bro.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
We thank you all are here and uh I'm changing.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Shout the cousin Jake and Brittany, thank you and sir
big up.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Quest Love Supreme all right, yes, sir, thank you for
listening to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast is hosted by
Mere Quest Love, Thompson, Maya, Saint Clair Fante, Coleman, Sugar,
Steve Mandell, and myself. I'm paying Bill Sherman. The executive
producers are mer who just walked into the goddamn room, Thompson,
Sean Jean, and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Pain,

(59:35):
and Lias Sinclair. Edited by Alex Conroy, I Know Alice Conroy.
Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
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